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People, and i know that you're not responsible for what he did as president. but is your approach to civil rights issues the same as his or is it different? >> well, i want to say a word about the issues you mentioned because my take on it is slightly different. on defense of marriage i think what my husband believed, and there was certainly evidence to support it, is that there was enough political momentum to amend the constitution of the united states of america, and that there had to be some way to stop that. and there wasn't any rational argument because i was in on some of those discussi...

Be serious. but they were. and so in a lot of ways doma was a line that was drawn that was to prevent going further. >> it was a defensive action. >> it was a defensive action. the culture rapidly changed so that now what was totally anathema to political forces, they have ceded, they no longer are fighting except on a local level and a rear guard action. and with the u.s. supreme court decision it's settled. >> most gay rights activists say that actually there wasn't an active threat of an anti-gay federal constitutional amendment at the time that he president clinton signed doma. in fact the...

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