These long covid naps, you get -- >> what does that mean? >> they're tired all the time. they get long hauler type symptoms. less so in kids, but you talk about 33% of people having persistent symptoms that last months, i just feel like we de -- i think we're allowed to have a nuance d conversation about this. >> rogan had his own bout with covid in august. in part of the conversation, he also asked why people with natural immunity should get vaccinated? well, dr. sanjay guptarecent da. i think we have talked about a fair amount, but what is not clear, because this is new, there are questions ...