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And we do not have the see interceptors on submarines, they do not have that in production yet. they do not have anything land-based, so it is like a 50/50 shot each time they intercept this thing. it is the hardest military technology and development today. so it is billions of dollars. the problem is if they successfully launch something, whether we intercept it or not, we are going to have to send over the barrage of missiles to take out every military installation immediately in north korea, do they want that? no, china does not want that. rio does not want that. unless there is a coup or ...

And we do not have the see interceptors on submarines, they do not have that in production yet. they do not have anything land-based, so it is like a 50/50 shot each time they intercept this thing. it is the hardest military technology and development today. so it is billions of dollars. the problem is if they successfully launch something, whether we intercept it or not, we are going to have to send over the barrage of missiles to take out every military installation immediately in north korea, do they want that? no, china does not want that. rio does not want that. unless there is a coup or ...

This -- the transatlantic alliance peeling apart. >> thank you so much for the kind words about my father. lovely. >> so, julia, let me ask you this. we, of course, are getting these reports this morning. cnn had another report that the russians thought they were passing information around in their intel community, that they thought they had financial information they could use to leverage trump in his inner circle. i want to ask you, when you hear these reports from russian intel agencies back and forth, that we intercept, how much of this do you take seriously how much do you think maybe the...

>> 1597 or something. he's done more than his predecessors. >> it's laudable what he's done. >> so i want to ask you. brian said, you know, he would separate the two, he would separate snowden and chelsea manning, but your new book about edward snowden is a deep dive into the extent of his crimes. you called what snowden did a theft. should barack obama pardon snowden? >> no, he won't pardon snowden. it's night and day between snowden and manning. snowden stole communications intelligence, which is the keys to the kingdom of intelligence if these sources and methods by which we intercept conve...

1600 range. done more than his predecessors. >> think it's laudable what he's done. >> ryan said would separate snowden and chelsea manning. but your new book about snowden is deep dive into his crimes. you call what he did a theft. should barack obama pardon snowden? >> no. he won't pardon snowden. it's night and day between snowden and manning. snowden stole communications intelligence, which is the keys to the kingdom of intelligence, the sources and methods by which we intercept conversations, internet communications, te telemetry, warfare, everything comes down to the sources and