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Winning a war, bringing piece, but avoiding what we're seeing on our screens. why was that considered untenable? i think down the road, mika, it's useful to have a bigger conversation about the last 20 years, what did the united states try to accomplish in afghanistan, did we overreach, go about it the wrong way, perhaps we underreached at times. but the question is why two administrations in a row felt compelled to leave. it's enough to make you question the value of bipartisanship. i would think the agreement we signed with the taliban in february of 2020 was a disaster, it undermined the af...

Getting some experts in. >> neil: in the end, so i understand, you do envision that there's going to be a governmental effort the reign these guys in. can you go too far here? >> yes, that's the issue. they're crying for a carve out, especially protectsism, safety and privacy concerns. we don't want to go too far so that we overreach. we quell startups. the little guys, the smaller businesses from coming in to the market. if giants, google and facebook, they can fight -- >> neil: but today's giant is tomorrow's dinosaur. you have to be careful of the market forces and competition. >> that used...

And taking appropriated pentagon funds, repurposing them, getting around congress and building a section of a wall? >> i'm dubious that the legal authority will work in this situation. the authority that i've seen most often cited for this potential declaration is a department of defense authority. that law provides for emergency funding and authority to build facilities overseas in a wartime like a detention facility or housing for the u.s. military, overseas, in a wartime or in a declaration of a national emergency. it is never an authority that's been used in this type of situation, in a do...

Don't, first of all, we overreach. we try to make them into better governments were nicer societies. you can do that with guns from the outside. secondly, it winds up with a lot of anti-americanism. i'm disappointed. my initial reaction was, oh, maybe this is say good thing. for the first time, other people are taking the lead. now i see american air strikes. if it was just missiled launched from ships and we had other forces -- >> there is a difference here. there is the support of the arab league, the gulf states. >> that's helpful, though i see the head of the arab league that's running for...