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Said today during a press kofs, which is a striking admission from a roup leader of congress, to say that these half truths or lies get to such a point and they're uttered so frequently that you stop actually taking the president literally. that's a pretty striking thing for a guy like devon to say. >> striking thing if people believe it. selena, i know you coined this. but it makes no sense. when you're the president of the united states that people can't actually believe the words that come out of your mouth. i know to many trump voters that doesn't matter. that's not the entirety of the cou...

Finding is the president has said, we're going to eliminate all those things you don't like about this affordable care act and keep all the good things. well, it is very hard to do both. and they're caught in this game of twister and so they're right wing or i should say republican conservative base is unhappy because it doesn't completely abolish government support for people who need health care. moderate republicans are very upset because it will ultimately decimate medicaid and a lot of republican governors understand that and are very concerned about that. it's going to mean 10 million or...

Unexplainable, he's put senate and house republican leaders in a very bad position. because they can't explain it. he's put the intelligence community in a very bad position because they can't explain it. at some point, you have to wonder is when is the american public or the 45% or 46% that are supporting him, don, when are they gonna come out and say, we want you to explain it? >> but why -- i mean, there's been -- but why? that's the thing. why does it not matter to them? >> there's a difference between saying 3 million people came to my inauguration and whatever number he had thrown out th...

Photos would not back up their claims. >> right. >> so the question is, you know, there's no proof about wiretapping. there's no proof to the crowd size. why lie? >> i have a new theory. which i laugh because david was right saying that -- imagine having to defend this. it's just an amazing thing. seems to me that trump actually, president trump is not actually speaking to us anymore. he's speaking i think to the 44% or so people who approve of his performance. by the way, richard nixon had slightly better numbers on the day in april of '73 when bob and john resigned. and so, for people who ar...

Certificate. that's false. we know that. he said thousands of muslims were on tv celebrating 9/11, false. ted cruz's father had something to do with lee harvey oswald false. the list goes on and on. there are some americans who simply cannot trust president trump because he is a serial liar. do you think this time that should be different given how severe this charge is? >> well, i don't know if it's different or not. it's certainly a pretty severe charge but i think you get to a point with president trump where to take a phrase that selena coined, you start to take him not literally something...