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Of ukraine. that is something i hope will not occur, because we are seeing nato stronger than ever right now, and a lot of thatis ever right now, and a lot of that is due i think to the leadership of president biden that has provided, whereas if trump were in office he would not be supporting ukraine, he would not be supporting our nato allies, he would probably be kowtowing to putin as he was five years ago in helsinki, the very city that president biden visited this last week. max. visited this last week. max boot, senior _ visited this last week. max boot, senior fellow - visited this last ...

So long as those incredulous pakistanis are supporting taliban operations and allowing al qaeda to roam freely in pakistan. pakistan is not a serious partner of the united states. they're not a strategic partner -- >> well, more so as we waver. one of the -- >> they were playing double and triple games long before the united states showed any signs of questioning its policy. that's pakistan. pakistan sees afghanistan as a strategic space for it to manipulate as part of its larger struggle against india. we are not strategic partners with afghanistan. we've got to recognize that. that's a fact ...

To. >> because it's an extraordinary sacrifice we're asking of people in uniform, because it's an extraordinary economic commitment, and i simply have very little, if any confidence that at the end of the day we're going to have results that are going to be commensurate with those commitments. so long as afghanistan is afghanistan. so long as those incredulous pakistanis are supporting taliban operations and allowing al qaeda to roam freely in pakistan. pakistan is not a serious partner of the united states. they're not a strategic partner -- >> well, more so as we waver. one of the -- >> they...