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What does the u.s. need to be cautious about. >> everything. this is the kim regime after all. they've been good at this. they've had a nuclear weapons program since 1965 maybe since the fighting of in the korean war in 1953. but we have high cards and haven't played all of them yet. of course kim doesn't want to give up the destructive weapon processes. but if he is put in a position where he might lose the regime he could well decide to do that. for instance, he may not have the money for gift politics politics which is giving the gift items. if he doesn't have cash to do that. the choice ma...

Security that they would -- they wouldn't have be in danger of a first strike for instance. but you know complete -- and i'll defer to the smarter folks on the panel. but complete denuclearization based on folks i talk to seems far-fetched. >> gordon be with moving forward what does the u.s. need to be cautious about. >> everything. this is the kim regime after all. they've been good at this. they've had a nuclear weapons program since 1965 maybe since the fighting of in the korean war in 1953. but we have high cards and haven't played all of them yet. of course kim doesn't want to give up the...