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Publicly. they're going to proceed with the sale of this air defense system because they believe they can go ahead and do it. but this is the kind of thing that has people worried. what are the interpretations? what are the rules of the road? what can iran engage in? and remember iran has a huge illicit arms trade as well. they regularly supply arms to groups like hamas and hezbollah. they have an arms relationship with north korea that's under the table. a lot of concerns separate from this nuclear deal iran still very much in the weapons business. >> they're supplying to those houthi rebels ...

That makes the nra sound rather like a parasite on the host body of the republican party, doesn't it. >> it certainly has been in recent years. it used to be there were an awful lot of democrats who also had 100% nra ratings. that's no longer so much the case. look, as julian said, the world right now is bedeviled by what are called failed states. these are states where the government doesn't have enough authority to maintain security and protect people's lives. and what happens in these fails states is that you get war lords a and other groups that kill an awful lot of innocent people through...

Things are free or easy or cheap. i mean, we're -- 10,000 americans are dying prematurely each year because of our use of coal. you know, this is -- there is no free energy and the nuclear power has problems with safety, mostly under control, with disposal of the used fuel, mostly under control. but i must say the big issue -- the looming issue that i think determines how aggressively we should move forward with nuclear power is the connection with weapons, weapons proliferation. far more people would be killed with -- and far more damage to civil society would be done with nuclear weapons tha...

You know, this is -- there is no free energy and the nuclear power has problems with safety, mostly under control, with disposal of the used fuel, mostly under control. but i must say the big issue -- the looming issue that i think determines how aggressively we should move forward with nuclear power is the connection with weapons, weapons proliferation. far more people would be killed with -- and far more damage to civil society would be done with nuclear weapons than with any nuclear power plant accident. and i know the industry says oh, no. we're not in the weapons business. we're just in t...

Cheap. 10,000 americans are dying prematurely because of our use of coal. there is no free energy. the nuclear power has problems with safety, mostly under control. with disposal of the used fuel, mostly under control. i must say the big issue, the looming issue that i think determines how aggressively we should move forward with nuclear power is the connection with weapons weapon process liveration. far more people would be killed and far more damage to society would be done with nuclear weapons than with any nuclear power plant accident. i know the industry said no, we are not in the weapons...