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Around. people like gary cohn weren't idea logical. if you look at the conversation happening now, john bolton being interviewed by the president for h.r. mcmaster's job. he's in the grand scheme of conventional orthodox generals who support the post cold war order. john bolton is an ideologue and that's what's going to happen as people are replaced. >> ideologues -- i think rick's point is right in this one respect. you usually get a new administration. cite the clinton example. you bring in with all due respect web hubbell. you bring people from home. it turns out they're a little overmatche...

Ruling involving web hubbell, a former law partner of hillary clinton if somebody has to make a decision about which documents are relevant to a subpoena, that could be a form of testimony, and it's covered by the fifth amendment. so this is going to be a very interesting legal argument. and i think it's pretty clear to say that it's not going to end here. whoever loses will likely appeal. this could drag on for quite some time. >> but paul, bridget kelly is the author of the e-mail as i said, "time for some traffic problems." now, here is what bridget kelly's attorney said about that e-mail. ...