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System, something they used before and thought you know what? let's just communicate that way. this is just a theory. and so they tried to imagine what was actually happening, because it wasn't any of the things you just mentioned. it wasn't spam. it wasn't malware. it wasn't e-mail. so what was it? they thought for instance maybe it was something called foldering when you type a draft and you don't send it, and then somebody else can sign on, read the draft, write another draft, you can read that. >> so the e-mail never goes anywhere? >> it never goes, exactly. there is a dns lookup, and it's...

Because it wasn't any of the things you just mention ed it wasn't spam. it wasn't malware. it wasn't e-mail. so what was it? and so, they thought that, for instance, maybe it was something called foldering, when you type a draft and you don't send it, and then somebody else can sign on, read the draft, write another draft, you can read that. >> so the e-mail never goes anywhere? >> it never goes, exactly. there's a dns lookup, and it's logged, and that's, of course, the records we had. they thought maybe that. there is something -- there is something called web mail that if you're on the same ...

Some of the things our expert talked about, most judges aren't familiar with. they may be three or ten years behind. as we choose to continue our lives more and more online, we create more of a wake of digital evidence and that evidence is just harder to hide. it's just -- that's just the way it is. the more we log in, the more our record is kept. in fact, this was an issue in new jersey. a lot of times people think if they access their web mail from a browser at work, then the employer can't get to it. but the employer can access, if it's a work computer, can access the images, and not the lo...

Uncovered. exact opposite of what they said would happen with obamacare. >> i'm not defending, just telling you how it work. that is the way we had it before it happened. >> if we had a system employers didn't pay for insurance at all and then they added this plan, yeah, it would destroy the job market. but we have had it for decades. int's marginal at this point, which is why to my opponent you see restaurant people hiring employees, even though they are going to be the one take on the brunt of this, to add the uninsured pem to the roles. >> brenda: public trust in white house is coming down....

The government the same access that we give to google? i have signed on with google. i know i'm getting a very nice service. it's kind of creepy, but it's worth it for me to get the web mail. >> and we care a great deal in this country about what the police can use when they go about wielding the most extraordinary power they have. which is to arrest and detain and deny you liberty. you mentioned the civil rights movement. you don't have to explain why it matters what the people can use to figure out where the investigation starts. when they use skin color or stop and frisk in new york. and ve...