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Them through the reports. >> well, that's troubling. republican party put out an email today listing all the times the president learned of important events through the media. the associated press says mr. obama learned of the irs targeting conservative groups through news reports. jay carney himself said the president didn't know about fast and furious until he saw it in the media "u.s.a. today" reports mr. obama did not know the nsa was spying on german leader merkel until the story broke. and the president seemed to be caught by surprise about the obamacare web site problems. so there is a ...

Them through the reports. >> well, that's troubling. republican party put out an email today listing all the times the president learned of important events through the media. the associated press says mr. obama learned of the irs targeting conservative groups through news reports. jay carney himself said the president didn't know about fast and furious until he saw it in the media "u.s.a. today" reports mr. obama did not know the nsa was spying on german leader merkel until the story broke. and the president seemed to be caught by surprise about the obamacare web site problems. so there is a ...

That. >> white house. >> i didn't see the article i'm not aware of those statements. >> not aware of those statements. didn't see the article. we're back with our panel. steve hayes. army water and the hill's a.b. stoddard. he is not aware of. this he ought to be aware of those statements. they are pretty striking. you have the administration confirming what critics have been saying since the launch of obamacare since october 1st, in effect saying that the web site problems are so significant particularly on the been end that it could lead to the collapse of obama irca. we have heard jay carne...

That. >> white house. >> i didn't see the article i'm not aware of those statements. >> not aware of those statements. didn't see the article. we're back with our panel. steve hayes. army water and the hill's a.b. stoddard. he is not aware of. this he ought to be aware of those statements. they are pretty striking. you have the administration confirming what critics have been saying since the launch of obamacare since october 1st, in effect saying that the web site problems are so significant particularly on the been end that it could lead to the collapse of obama irca. we have heard jay carne...

Or is that a happy face? >> democrats decided to argue that the only problems with obamacare were the web site problems. they conceded that the web site was a mess. but that once that gets fixed, obamacare is fine. what republicans have said is that there are structural aspects of obamacare that are going to mean continued, higher premiums, higher deductibles, narrower doctor choice, narrower prescription drug choices, all of this stuff for patients as we go forward. i think what you are going to see in 2014 is which side has the stronger argument. >> steve, this healthcare was passed in 2010....