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For the president because all of these sort of miscues on other issues as well are sort of piling up and really pulling down his poll ratings at a time when he really needs to have some clout on capitol hill. >> jim, what do you think of the critical markers going forward? do you see this 7 million, you know, accessing that many people by march. do you think it's likely? >> i mean, i think it's possible, but i do think, all due respect, we're missing the forest for the trees. even if the website problems are ironed out and you're able to hit a key stroke here and there and get where you're sup...

Out. >> how does this bode for 2014? >> i look forward to 2014. the website problems will be long behind us. >> how do you know? >> between 10 million and 20 million americans will have insurance coverage they didn't have before and i think i'm looking forward to 2014. it is a totally different situation. people won't remember that the website had problems. >> what about security problems? what about people getting the security, their information stolen from the hackers and everybody's at risk that entered their information, what about that? what about the fallout from that? >> i have an i.t. ...

Guy with a floppy disk. my guess julie is folks at the white house are not laughing. how concerned are they about this rollout? not just the website but the whole deal. what is their biggest concern? >> that they are in this holding pattern. no one expects the website will be fixed over the next couple of days. november 30 seems like a fairly conservative estimate by some accounts. all we're seeing now is more website problems and more problems with the actual policy. if the conversation switches to the policy away from the website that becomes even more dangerous. there's nothing that they ca...

Administration, and that's because, you know, i think the website problems have been almost a distraction to the real problem here, which is this is trying to sell the american people on the edsel. they're looking at the product now. they're finding that their losing what they want, the insurance they want, and being forced into something that for millions of americans will be more expensive. what you're seeing now is a lot of what we call the red state democrats who are getting very nervous about what the political impact of this will be. you know, there's some people who think even on tuesda...

Administration? >> you know, we are, at least in congress, not in the administration, and that's because, you know, i think the website problems have been almost a distraction to the real problem here which is this is trying to sell the american people. they're look at the product now, they're finding they're losing the insurance they want, and they're being forced into something that for manies of americans will be expensive. what you're seeing is a lot of the red state democrats are getting very nervous about what the political impact of this will be. there are some people who think even on ...