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From trump, and then the cultural production which seemed kind of in opposition to it in a lot of ways, does that -- you buy that thesis? >> yeah, i think this is definitely a year where politics wise we had terrible stuff happening with trump using race to bait voters and use them as a scapegoat and paralleled with that we have people like beyonce and kaepernick and other people who are creating art and music who are really, like, digging into their own identity and pushing out against that. >> yeah, and i was -- i kept finding myself, i mean, the weird o.j. simpson kind of mini bubble this y...

Bowl performance, colin kaepernick taking a knee and think about the campaign and the constant white identity politics from trump, and then the cultural production which seemed kind of in opposition to it in a lot of ways, does that -- you buy that thesis? >> yeah, i think this is definitely a year where pluolits wise we had terrible stuff happening with trump using race to bait voters and use them as a scapegoat and paralleled with that we have people like beyonce and kaepernick and other people who are creating art and music who are really, like, digging into their own identity and pushing o...