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Where is he pardoning somebody doesn't know the whole story yet himself. >> harris: right. from the doj's perspective which you come at this from. the white house now should do, what? >> i think the white house is, you know, basically doing the right thing, notwithstanding the president's twitter rants once in a while and that they are cooperating with the investigation. ty cobb is i think the kind of come voice of reason, just saying cooperate. there is nothing here. and that will be proven eventually. i know it's difficult -- i mean, the president really have no different than many clients h...

Anything to do with collusion, h they had to do with more collateral issues. >> harris: former member of the doj says we don't have the answer to the big question. >> we do not. >> harris: okay. let's move on. as well allies are reportedly urging the president to pardon those involved in the russia investigation. some conservatives voicing their opinions on this pretty strongly, robert. because they feel like, look, general flynn is an example. what do you think about that? >> i think from the president's weive it doesn't make sentence to pardon anybody right now. >> i think so far there is no...