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Balances ever. of course, mr. chairman, you know you can't start paying down the $18 trillion of debt that we have with another $100 trillion on the other way until you first come to balance. we do that in a responsible hopb nest way. we do it in a responsible logical ten year window. >> dana: i was following all of that. that was in the obama administration. this budget the president is putting forward also doesn't balance. how have the economics changed your viewpoint on supporting this type of budget? >> well, hey, i think that's a great segment, a great question. here's the big difference....

Regulation that would penalize immigrants for receiving welfare programs like food stamps, section 8, headstart and chip. the former press secretary for democratic national committee joined us tonight. what i find so interesting about the complaints here is that we know -- i know from doing there show every night and speaking to immigration advocates, there are no immigrants on welfare, they add the most to our economy, they are the hardest working. none of them is a drain on the system.ar given that, who cares if it's illegal for them to go on welfare? why would they be on welfare if they are...

Dependency. >> i understand what you're getting outcome of the problem is the revelations that what the president puts forth aren't doing what you want to try to make. we are not going to punish immigrants because they are poo poor. >> tucker: what you mean punish them because they t are poor, they're coming to our country -- >> in search of our better life. >> tucker:ot and to go on our welfare programs, this is not the bring us your poor, tired, huddled masses where people come and work their way up and run a tech company in silicon valley. this is the opposite of what we want. you are defen...

Anything put in front of me. then we suddenly see this backflip. this is the problem. and this is really at the core of the lack of trust on the part of the democrats when it comes to making a decision on this and they're using this as leverage to get what they need for the d.r.e.a.m.ers. so do you agree that there is a problem here and the root of it appears to be president trump and what he believes? because mitch mcconnell himself has said he doesn't really know exactly what president trump wants. >> yeah, but this fight really is between chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell. like the presiden...

The government is open again. >> i want to know one good reason why continuing the dreamer program is not a good idea, and not one republican can say so, because they don't have a argument gaiagainst the dream. >> and the daca legalization program? >> i am talking about the daca program that was in place. >> and are you going to be able to bring the family members and go on the welfare programs and -- >> steve, you are deliberately muddying the waters here. >> no, i am not. there is a lot of issues. >> daca is about dreamers. >> yes, and some of them have criminal records and some of them have...