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Brought up by mr. layfield that's a free market. we've never really had that. there's no law against paying someone cash and they can come up with their own fee and you can dodge all this garbage with whether it's the insurance companies doing it or the government setting the rates for medicare or medicaid. you can just say when are you going to get me in i'll pay for it. i think the middle is where you're seeing compromises of lines and waiting because they can't afford to go cash because they're too wealthy. >> there is a simple outcome here. tons of doctors are turning down insurance, they'...

Certainly get in trouble. why is the irs held at less of a standard than a small investment bank on wall street? the government themselves say sorry, the dog ate our homework and we've lost our e-mails? this blows my mind. we go to jail for something like this. people say it's just the irs, it's politics. a different standard and it's completely wrong. >> sascha has there been some accountability here? >> when the first report came out a lot of the leadership at the irs was forced to resign. depending on what happens here that may happen again and rightly so if as it seems, there is wrongdoing...

Stay. but gary b. says that means the first-class health care service we expect in america is going away. what do you mean? >> absolutely brenda. when the government sticks its finger in an economic dike looking to shore it up here and there, we have less choice. we've seen that across -- in fact we've seen that already in health care. government has been involved in health care through medicare medicaid for years and years and years. people have longer wait times, they have less choice. if you don't think that's true look at the only area of health care that is close to a free market and that...