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Ruining his presidency and casting a shadow over everything he did. >> so it's this -- is this as far as your reporting indicates the last time that there was this kind of meeting between the president's lawyers and mueller himself? >> so no, we did report about another meeting after john dowd then the lead attorney resigned in late march. there was one more when rudy giuliani came on the scene, yeah, just this month. i'm sorry, fib me in late april. i want to say it's last week and it feels like a month ago. it was just last week. and in that session, rudy giuliani is saying hey, like to get ...

From trump's point of view was ruining his presidency and casting a shadow over everything he did. >> so it's this -- is this as far as your reporting indicates the last time that there was this kind of meeting between the president's lawyers and mueller himself? >> so no, we did report about another meeting after john dowd then the lead attorney resigned in late march. there was one more when rudy giuliani came on the scene, yeah, just this month. i'm sorry, fib me in late april. i want to say it's last week and it feels like a month ago. it was just last week. and in that session, rudy giuli...

Remember, this has changed three times, chris. in january, the president was eager to do it. in february, he was leaning against it. in march, he told his lawyer he wanted to do it, and in april whether he michael cohen's office was raided, he said there's no way i'm doing it. so it could change again. but at the moment, i think there is some reservation in the team about putting the president in front of bob mueller and a team of seasoned investigators. >> well, carol, before you came on the line and you were busy breaking yet another big story, we had rob bennett who represented bill clinton...

You had with other trump aides about kislyak. so that produced the trump lawyers then in this case jay sekulow then began writing down questions that he extrapolated from the comments that mueller's deputy made to him in a march 12th conversation. >> right. so this is all being channeled, this is a sort of meeting and a conversation that's then channeled through one of trump's attorneys and is now out in the public. that's how we sort of know what we currently know? >> correct. you know, a lot of people are breathing heavily, you know, this is the list, the end all, be all list that mueller is...

They essentially decline? >> i think it's highly likely they decline at this point. that could change. remember, this has changed three times, chris. in january, the president was eager to do it. in february, he was leaning against it. in march, he told his lawyer he wanted to do it, and in april whether he michael cohen's office was raided, he said there's no way i'm doing it. so it could change again. but at the moment, i think there is some reservation in the team about putting the president in front of bob mueller and a team of seasoned investigators. >> well, carol, before you came on the...