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You got hack a bunch of it off. he said think closer to 2 trillion. his range was 1.9 to 2.3 trillion. what's interesting, though, given that is according to the "wall street journal" this morning, apparently the democrats are considering two different things. they are either going to reduce the overall cost by eliminating program so less free stuff for some people or cutting the duration. rather than 10 years, maybe we make it five years. they got to figure a way to bring the number down because right now, the number scares people. but as andy puzder who was the -- one of the cabinet secretar...

Possible anyway. >> you know, just yesterday we heard rudy giuliani the president's personal attorney say that mueller's investigators were whack a doodles and they should go to bellevue hospital. are you surprised to hear it and what is your reaction? >> i'm so disgusted by rudy giuliani and his unleashed nature. it is hard to believe that he ever was a serious u.s. attorney. to throw that kind of dirt around, to be so demeaning to people that have served our country with distinction is deplorable to me. >> okay. i want to move to the other big story of the day, the trump administration's ref...

Trump-biden bout so we asked senator orrin hatch for help. >> i'd feel bad for biden. he'd be right there in the fight. >> on the counter punch, they go after he, i go after them. >> peter: liberals -- >> i had two old couchity uncles used to do that at family dinners. i think it's another example of that, i guess. >> peter: republicans say this would be far from the thrilla in manila. >> i don't think that's going to be a big audience on pay per view. >> peter: as it turns out, trump v. biden may just be the undercard. >> i'll say this, i think melania could take them both. >> peter: can you ...

Russia from doing this. >> michael steele, the republicans in the house and senate have been sort of missing in action here. today, finally we heard from paul ryan. we have yet to hear from mitch mcconnell. >> the speaker's been pretty clear about it. i think the real absence here is presidential leadership. until the president is willing to admit the extent of russian interference and its goal, it's going to be difficult to give this the priority it truly deserves. >> michael and jim, how at risk do you think our infrastructure is to russian targeting? we know they're still at it. yet we have...