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Foolishness isn't -- if he's not held accountable for his foolishness and given the nature of what he said and the majority of the players being black in this league who feed him, not the other way around, he needs to be out. >> we'll see if that results in strikes but certainly already resulting in condemnation, kobe bryant tweeted, i couldn't play for him. last question, bill, it seems over the last week we've had an abundant set of reminders this isn't just sports. we've had the clivein bundy comments. there pervasive racism everywhere? >> it is, this whole joke about post racial is a joke....

How this thing exponentially grows into something that distorts ultimately what this party is about and what it stands for. we're at that doorstep at this moment, and i think we all need to take hold and i think this is an opportunity of leadership for the likes of rand paul to make it very clear, where are you on this, how do you want to lead this party as a reflection of how you're going to lead the country. how do you speak to the country about matters of race when you embrace this kind of hate-filled racism? >> well, speaking of sean hannity, last night on fox news he joined the stampede o...

How this thing grows into something that distorts ultimately what this party is about and what it stands for. we're at that doorstep at this moment, and i think we all need to take hold and i think this is an opportunity of leadership for the likes of rand paul to make it very clear, where are you on this, how do you want to lead this party as a reflection of how you're going to lead the country. how do you speak to the country about matters of race when you embrace this kind of hate-filled racism? >> speaking of sean hannity last night he joined the stampede of conservatives running away from...

Christina greer, sam seder and robert george. robert just made this point about can it just be the case that you have this sort of racial polarization on both sides, both sides, and white voters are voting for the republican party, which they see as representing their interests, and that there's nothing sort of racially suspect about that, it just happens to be the case that the philosophical views are cleaving in this way and that gives you this map, which put up for a second, which was in the "times," which is where obama won 20% or less of the white vote in 2012 as estimated. >> i'm sure th...

Interesting thing about what bundy said, which is what i think is getting overlooked, is to a large extent he's making the same argument that paul ryan was saying about the hammock. the safety net has become the hammock. it's really undeniable. we can laugh about it. but that's what he was saying. they are trapped in this hammock here. and the notion -- >> big government has seduced them into laziness. >> big government is not only evil insofar as they'll show up and make me pay to have my cattle eat on public land but they will also -- they will also sort of seduce a certain segment of the po...