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And important it was clear to people at the time that's what president trump was talking about. i don't think this really changes a ton. it just also clarifies that vindman, being someone who was actually on the call is a different kind of witness in this investigation. he changes the game because he heard first hand, not only what president trump said, but he also understands what zelensky said in the original language. and so has actually a lot more context behind the meeting of what was said on that call. >> to your point, it will be interesting to see, how much we learn with tim morrison w...

Sources telling cnn that he will say he didn't see a problem in the call between the president and zelensky, but we heard from manu that there will be some nuance as to what morrison has to say. in terms of nuance, doug, it's not really about, as we know going into this, looking at the testimony, it's not how somebody felt about it, it's the facts of the situation. >> yeah. look, absolutely. this is where the white house finds itself in real trouble is whatever the president says seems to be contradicted not only by testimony but by witness after witness, and it's why there's been a lot of con...