sources telling cnn that he will say he didn't see a problem in the call between the president and zelensky, but we heard from manu that there will be some nuance as to what morrison has to say. in terms of nuance, doug, it's not really about, as we know going into this, looking at the testimony, it's not how somebody felt about it, it's the facts of the situation. >> yeah. look, absolutely. this is where the white house finds itself in real trouble is whatever the president says seems to be contradicted not only by testimony but by witness after witness, and it's why there's been a lot of consternation on capitol hill that, as was referenced earlier by jerry diamond, that there hasn't been a real cohesive strategy for the white house moving forward. i know tony sayeg. i think he is one of the best people this administration has ever had, and i hope for his sake he'll be a little too busy to help in this case because it seems there are not a lot of good answers, and ultimately, that's what should trouble the folks in the white house the most. >> how important, too, doug, just while we're on this point