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and i have a programming note that it is just for you. it's one of your favorites -- of kurt anderson is going to be joining us this hour. and just for you, i saved him for last. so, you can get home and turn on the tv, and -- >> and still make it! >> there he will be and i'm going to offer him a theory to take as you will. and that is, that if you think that rudy giuliani has changed from some previous good version of rudy giuliani, you have not been paying attention -- >> you have not! >> i read some old spy martin magazine in kurt andersen's honor about rudy giuliani in 1990. and ...

joining us this hour. and just for you, i saved him for last. so, you can get home and turn on the tv, and -- >> and still make it! >> there he will be and i'm going to offer him a theory to take as you will. and that is, that if you think that rudy giuliani has changed from some previous good version of rudy giuliani, you have not been paying attention -- >> you have not! >> i read some old spy martin magazine in kurt andersen's honor about rudy giuliani in 1990. and he's the same dude at his he was then. i can't wait for your conversation with him. >> we are going to be showing pic...

With his press secretary, his wife kicked him out of gracie mansion, whereupon he was taking taken in by very charitable gay couple he was friends with. all this and more played out on the front pages of the new york city tabloids. kurt andersen was covering all this as a journalist in new york at the time. and he appears in the four-part documentary series, when the truth isn't truth, the rudy giuliani story, which airs sundays at 10 pm right here on msnbc. and joining us now is kurt andersen. he's the new york times bestselling author of evil geniuses, the unmaking of america, and fantasylan...