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Bannon supposedly is on thin ice right now. >> yeah. but i think that probably has very little to do with this. this is something that predated this. that at the time reince priebus left, there were a lot of -- there was a lot of talk about whether bannon would in fact be the next to go and i think that it's unrelated to what we saw in charlottesville. >> if he were to go, how would this affect the issue of white supremacists? >> unlike some members of the white house team that the president has even pondered firing or has fired, steve bannon has his own sort of base because of his affiliation...

Advisers have been fired by h.r. mcmaster. we hear mcmaster is at odd with bannon and general kelly has urged mcmaster to make the staffing changes or any he deems necessary. are the questions about whether bannon will keep his position more valid now, tom? >> absolutely. what you have here is a very strong chief of staff coming in. general john kelly coming in here. our reporting, our great white house team, jim acosta and others have had great reporting on this about how maybe bannon is not even fired. maybe he is shuffled aside. that is kind of the more normal thing you see in washington an...

All of the geniuses so instrumental on my elections success. >> who is he talking about? >> steve bannon. he's talking about the book "the devil's bargain." and he's sitting there on a saturday evening reading this book. it's number one on "the new york times" best seller and it's driving him crazy. >> jennifer, where do you think steve bannon ends up landing in president trump's white house given our reporting says trump was asking about whether bannon should stay or go in light of mixing up his staff, replacing reince priebus. he was apparently told that getting rid of bannon would hurt him ...

Each other. joining us is the aclu's political director and dave hoppy of hoppy strategies. let's start with this. which is better for the united states, whether bannon is on the ups or kushner is on the ups. i'll start with you on this. >> i think this debate reflects the fact that donald trump is a poor manager. he's responsible for creating this chaos around him. if he wants to try to blame steve bannon for his own problems, that's weakness. that's cowardliness. he's the one tweeting about crazy things that the former president was wiretapping his phones. he's the one making the decisions t...

H.r. mcmaster, wide support from democrats and republicans move up, devin nunes now saying you know what? i'm going to step down. what is this telling us about the president? >> the president is in control whether devin nunes is conducting the investigation into russia. that's a paul ryan decision. >> hold on the president -- >> you want the president involved in deciding who investigates him? >> i'm not telling you what i want. why do you think devin nunes went to the white house to see the president? to please him. >> i disagree. paul ryan and the republican house leadership made a decision ...