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Interference in the campaign, but, of course, any crimes that come along his path in the course of the investigation. we do believe and have reported that the president is being examined by mueller for broadly the question of obstruction of justice. the question of whether mueller would ever charge the president is one where many people believe that he won't because of current justice department policy. it's ultimately going to be congress that decides whether the president obstructed justice. but it's certainly something that mueller could look at if he wanted to, because he does have a pre...

One of the things that we've been watching from outside the mueller investigation trying to anticipate not only what he's likely to do next but how his case is coming together as it relates to a larger scandal is we've been watching as people are charged with lying to congress. we've seen that with roger stone and michael cohen and we saw reference to lies to congress in the sam patten indictment, as well. one of the things we've been trying to track is whether or not witnesses who have testified in the russia investigation and various committees before congress, whether their testimony has be...

To pry, actually, i do. i don't mean to push. the thing that we've been watching from outside the mueller investigation trying to anticipate not only what he's likely to do next but how his case is coming together as it relates to a larger scandal is we've been watching as people are charged with lying to congress. we've seen that with roger stone and michael cohen and reference to lies to congress in the sam patten indictment, as well. one of the things we've been trying to track is whether or not witnesses who have testified in the russia investigation and various committees before congress,...

Crime as has been echoed by many but is this just an indicator to you that there's more potentially down the pipeline and this is how the mueller team would like to trickle the more -- i guess the lesser of the offenses in the indictment first? >> possibly. it is very clear that he lied. lying to me is not a process crime. it is a serious crime. and he is charged with multiple counts of that as well as intimidating a witness to lie. i think to call it, quote, unquote, a process crime belittles the seriousness of it. in and of itself, these are serious charges. whether mueller thinks talking to...

Is whether mueller's team will come back and ask for formal clarification on the president's answer under oath about when he talked to cohen about the trump moscow project. giuliani told me although they made it clear this one they would make an exception. they said if mueller does ask that question the answer is really simple. the answer is we don't know. we don't remember. >> that clears that up. in the new yorker article in which giuliani was interviewed he was asked about whether he is worried about the fact that he might not always be truthful about it. he said i'm afraid it will be on my...