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Broker a deal in which gallagher would keep his trident pin. i know it's confusing. it's got a lot of twists and turns here. but at the end of the day, esper said he found it was a violation of the defense secretary's trust and confidence for his navy secretary to be trying to broker some kind of a deal behind the defense secretary's back. >> courtney, for folks who aren't as familiar, obviously with a lot of the innerworkings of the military as you, the s.e.a.l. pin, what is it and why does it matter so much? >> so,s the symbol of the fact that a sailor is a navy s.e.a.l. while it is to many ...

That isis fighter. certainly a charge that is difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, given that there is no body, there is no autopsy. there is a separate confession from another seal on the stand who said he, not gallagher, actually committed the murder. he was testifying under immunity. then you go all the way down to the lesser charges. the most likely of which is essentially a charge of conduct unbecoming. those photographs in which gallagher poses with the body of the dead isis fighter. those photos do exist. we have seen them. the jury of seven military men have seen them. that wo...

Essentially conduct unbecoming. that stems from gallagher taking photographs with the body of that dead isis fighter. the problem for him on that charge is those photos do exist. he did take them. we've seen them. every member of the seven-man military jury has seen them, too. so if you look at the charges overall and you look at a standard of beyond reasonable doubt, that charge, condition duct unbecoming would appear to be the one in which gallagher faces the greatest legal jeopardy. that is a far cry from being convicted of murder. having said all of that, this is a jury trial and we know a...

After the death of the fighter, chief gallagher posed for photos. the jury was shown some of those photos including one in which gallagher is seen holding the fighter by the hair with his knife in his hand. dylan dille said the isis fighter looked about 12 years old. shep? >> shepard: what are we hearing from the defense, jonathan? >> the lead defense attorney tells me that every one of the seals that is set to testify against chief gallagher is a "coward and a liar." i asked him what it does to the reputation of the seals as a whole when he uses terms like that. he said that the greater damag...