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Another direction and i think that was noted or implied today. but now going forward, i think cohen is committed, committed, i think we can say, to telling what he knows about what jack was talking about which is trump org and everything he knows about the businesses. >> he's critical to the link between trump, the business empire and trump the political empire and drawing those two together is something that mueller is, if not trying to do, he's incredibly interested in knowing whether these were one enterprise all together. the other thing, by the way, which mueller has intimated he can prov...

But a few things. one is before the general election reckoning is a primary reckoning, and it goes back to something e.j. mentioned, which is you can imagine a world maybe not that many months from now in which mueller comes out with a devastating report and congressional support for president trump begins to crumble in the way that it did during watergate, and we sort of have this rosy view of watergate where brave, honest republicans stood up. no, they didn't. they didn't turn against richard nixon until they had to turn against richard nixon. >> and the people turned first. >> and the peopl...

Two deadlines. this week. prosecutors have until tuesday to file a sentencing memo related to michael flynn and then on friday a factual filing is due on paul manafort's alleged crimes and lies to the special counsel. what are you looking to learn from these upcoming filings, ben? >> these are two really big filings or at least they could be. in the flynn case, flynn has basically vanished since his plea. his sentencing was delayed at least twice, maybe more, between then and now, which is consistent with his being active as a cooperating witness. and so this is a point at which mueller is goi...

Money to who? what do we need to do? it was them sort of talking in a shorthand code that made clear that they had done this many times before. >> yeah. so, susan, i'm sure congress believes the answer to this question is yes, but do you think it's something congress should look into, this whole idea of speaking to him about a pardon and sort of going through a back channel, letting him know that maybe, you know, a pardon is on the table if you just stick with this message? >> well, look, there's no question that congress is about to reopen its investigation on the house side when the democrat...

Which mueller comes out with a devastating report and congressional support for president trump begins to crumble in the way that it did during watergate, and we sort of have this rosy view of watergate where brave, honest republicans stood up. no, they didn't. they didn't turn against richard nixon until they had to turn against richard nixon. >> and the people turned first. >> and the people turned first. so when republican senators and republican house members are convinced that their electoral fate is better off diverging themselves from donald trump, they will do that because there's no l...