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The lawyers say there is no plans to do it. the president does what he wants. if he wants to fire mueller he'll have to navigate the special counsel regulations under which mueller was appointed. former acting solicitor general of the united states and the man who literally wrote the rules under which robert mueller was appointed joins me now. so, let's start, neil, with this. when people say will the president fire robert mueller, the president personally cannot fire robert mueller. how would he go about -- what would he have to do to remove him? >> he might try and fire him directly. he mi...

Information on hillary. so that is evidence that collusion was being attempted, at least by papadopoulos. and i think that his lying about it is clearly the center of attention, which mueller and others are now focussing upon. >> you know, he -- papadopoulos was first told about russia and so-called dirt on hillary clinton in the form of thousands of e-mails, that was in april of 2016, long before most americans knew of any hacked e-mails or the russian effort to undermine hillary clinton and help the trump campaign. so how concerning is that? >> i think it's very concern. again, i believe it'...

Pulpit to undermine the independent investigation, which is completely -- >> does that matter, the fact that he's in west virginia talking to this cheering crowd, insulting the investigation? does that count for anything legally? >> it could. it could legally in terms of obstruction. he wants to stop the investigation. >> right. >> that's what he's trying to do, and this is part of that. how it weighs legally, i don't know if that alone is going to be a basis for a prosecution or that alone will be a basis for impeachment, but if you do have an impeachment, then these efforts will be part of a...

Of the president's team? >> now they've appointed a new special counsel who, apparently, is going to be outside of the office of the white house counsel, who is going to be a coordinator of all the counsel that are outside. i don't know how this is going to operate, where you have cobb as a special counsel in the white house who has no attorney/client privilege, is going to be controlling and directing the messaging of the outside counsel. don, i'd hilike to say somethin else. if you look closely at the regulations under which mueller was appointed, it is not as easy as people think for trump ...

Thanks for coming in. michael, we were listening to sheldon whitehouse. he said it to wolf and this morning, the theory he thinks michael flynn is working with the fbi. do you agree? >> it's hard to know. flynn surely has the most expore sure. he's goat the eastern district of virginia, which mueller is going to take over, an investigation into his involvement with turkey and failing to register urnds the foreign agent registration act. it's a mature investigation. they have been subpoenaing records for a long time. mueller will take it over. then he's got mueller himself with the russia collu...