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You need by any other means. if you can satisfy that standard has been met, you can get an order to get the tax returns. >> does the target of that order find out when that's happened? >> no. the irs would turn it over, otherwise it would compromise the investigation if the target were to know about it. >> and barbara's right, exactly right to the correct paragraph of the statute. but i would add, this is an extraordinarily ordinary thing for white collar prosecutors to do. meaning, it happens all the time. >> and no extra hurdles for it being the president? >> well, it might cause the magistr...

Not the president of the united states, as he's talked to white house staff, he's said maybe you don't need to lawyer up at this time. that runs contrary to any white collar prosecutor would tell you that you want to do at this point in time. it reaches from the obstruction of justice case to reaching back to the campaign and having everything to do with the russia probe. this staff are going to need lawyers, so for president trump's lawyer sayi ing don't lawyer up at this time, it speaks contrary to what others are saying at this time. >> looking at that's c escalato scene, it's donald trump ...

Talked about before, the last segment, talked about the man, not the president of the united states, as he's talked to white house staff, he's said maybe you don't need to lawyer up at this time. that runs contrary to any white collar prosecutor would tell you that you want to do at this point in time. it reaches from the obstruction of justice case to reaching back to the campaign and having erngo with the russia probe. this staff are going to need lawyers, so for president trump's lawyer saying don't lawyer up at this time, it speaks contrary to what others are saying at this time. >> lookin...