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And i think if the detroit region comes back, i think detroit city may find its role within that region. >> detroit seems to be a story that's sort of in some ways opposed to your book and your thesis because it is a classic case where people left the city for the suburbs. you know, crime grew, it became a negative spiral. and the well-to-do white middle class and upper middle class just fled the city. they were doing fine, i suppose. in the outer suburbs, but the city itself imploded. >> it's sort of an outdated narrative. that was the path that everyone beat in the '50s and '60s and '70s. yo...

Narrative. that was the path that everyone beat in the '50s and '60s and '70s, you had the white flight. that's not happening any more. i would agree with jennifer that detroit in many ways is an outlier. in many ways. but one interesting thing about detroit, is planners are looking at it as a great model of how to shrink. that is the proper response. because you need to shrink the city to meet the demands of its inhabitants, otherwise you have abandoned buildings and that fosters more crime, not good for young children to see that growing up. when we come back we ask how the left-right divi...

African-american, now almost 50%. >> less chocolate. >> my son wrote it's milk chocolate or white chocolate. so what we have to do is work with the real estate industry and lenders because they drive this location, location, location and displacement. so integration means we're living next to each other and i'm not looking to sell my house because they moved in. when you lo at it, people living in the suburbs here, you look at silver springs, the old west end in toledo and some neighborhoods in cincinnati, they have been long integrated. people don't run. there's no white flight. >> can you ha...

During the white flight, the white middle and business class took their wealth with them to the suburbs. guess which dots represent black and white? new york god bless it looks nothing like that which is not to say new york doesn't have problems. but politicians have a habit of picking the city that is worse off and using it to pass an agenda they've wanted to pass all along. joining me now is politics editor for business insider. it's good to see you. >> absolutely. >> you have a bit of a different take here, i know. give me your take on whether new york could ever become detroit? >> i think ...

Period of time, new york has seen its population grow by more than half a million people, it's not been detroit. and another thing, detroit's economy has been nothing short of catastrophic. according to the city's own bankruptcy court declaration, the city lost approximately 80% of its manufacturing base. new york's economy by contrast has been booming. booming under bloomberg for better or worse. the key industry finance remains atop the world. one factor is that the fact that the city remains utterly and unbelievably racially segregated. this is a map of detroit, with dots corresponding for ...