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All he's saying is we have to stop illegal immigration. carson. he stood up, too. hi came out today very strongly. >> bernie sanders. >> i think he's a character. he's doing well. i'm not sure hillary is -- you know if you go back to pre-obama when nobody ever heard of obama, hillary had the same kind of power as she did now. it was almost a foregone conclusion. >> joining me now, former reagan white hois political director cnn political commentator jeef

Reasons why. number one when you're a white house official i served at white hois, you're going over to legislative branch. that's the congress. and you're saying you want me to reveal secret conversations i had with the president. i think that's privilege. let me go real for a second with you. there's a second issue here that he won't deal with with mueller. 30 seconds after he speaks atd the congress somebody will leak it. there are differences when he goes over to talk to robert mueller. he's talking to the executive branch. a special counsel who was appointed by the deputy attorney general...

Talking about it and sort of says it has to pass anyway. >> and that's exactly what was said today from the white hois. house. we don't like this. the president has said i would veto that. but here's the other side of that coin, chris, nobody wants a shutdown. so we're just two weeks away from christmas. maybe it's going to with a three-month plan. that's what's hanging over everybody's hepd e head. first of all, the possibility of a shut doin. and, the second, at least from the white house perspective, the democrats have a much weaker hand to play if they wait. >> all right. thank you very mu...