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One of the people in iowa at that dinner we saw earlier who really sparks people's imagination. i mean, most of the candidates have a good team in iowa, and then after that, it's new hampshire. and if you can make your mark there, as obama did in 2008, then that will help, although i do have to point out that after obama did well in iowa, he lost to hillary clinton in new hampshire. so, this is going to be very much an up-and-down thing. but again, i do think we're going to see this whittling process as people say, you know, do i have the ability to stay in this race? do i have a message that ...

Mulling an end to his presidential bid to run for the senate. do you think he should and, second, is he just kind of the start if he gets out? we've talked for a long time about how who does and the doesn't make the debate stage in september is going to be a natural whittling process. >> as for governor hickenlooper, i'm not a big believer on telling people what they should and shouldn't run for. he's got to decide that for himself. i think he said this publicly. he ran for governor because had he executive experience in his background, he wanted to be governor. he thinks he'd be a good presid...

He wants to be ahead of marco rubio, ahead of jeb bush, ahead of john kasich in that establishment alternative to trump and cruz wing of the party, and one way to make sure that marco rubio doesn't sort of rocket out of iowa with momentum headed to new hampshire, which is the most important state for chris christie is to try to keep your eye on marco rubio in iowa and stay there and have enough of a presence there to provide enough of an option from that wing that marco rubio doesn't soak up all that market share. >> david, staying with you, 20,000 foot view. we'll be talking with about iowa f...