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Biographer of, among others, president lyndon johnson. before we say another word, i'm going to put a picture on the screen that mr. beschloss supplied to us. it looks like two high school kids visiting 41 in kennebunkport. in the center of your screen, television veterans will note dead ringer for ken olin of "30 something" now executive producer of the runaway nbc hit "this is us." but those are young men, meacham and beschloss, probably trying not to get seasick and listen to the 41st president of the united states. so on that note, john, i note as his biographer, you happened to be in hous...

Nuanced than we think. i was thinking today because of the mccain comment and because of the pulling out of the iran deal about an observation of president johnson's, who michael spent so much time listening to and transcribing those diaries so wonderfully. in which he said that nothing tests or shows us a man's conscience more than the presidency. it literally opens his soul. >> right. >> and no longer can he write off hopes and needs, he has to engage the great challenges of the time. we're living through a fallow period, to say the least, where the hopes, needs and aspirations of the people...

President lyndon johnson. gentlemen, welcome. before we say another word, i'm going to put a picture on the screen that mr. beschloss supplied to us. it looks like two high school kids visiting 41 in kennebunkport. in the center of your screen, television veterans will note dead ringer for ken olin of 30 something, now executive producer of "this is us." those are young men, meacham and beschloss, probably trying not to get sea sick and listen to the 41st president of the united states. so on that note, jon, i note as his biographer, you happen to be in houston tonight. inquiring minds want to...

A look at some of the headlines from the week proves some context as to how others see us. the cover of der spiegel is as close to self-explanatory as we're going to get. jon meacham, michael beschloss continue to join us. michael, in my lifetime, as a white house intern, i thought i would never have a fronter, front-row seat than this, i thought carter to reagan was the biggest swing of the pendulum politically they would ever witness as an american adult. but do you have reason to think that we're in for something even greater, say nothing of the obama to trump swing of the pendulum? >> yeah...

With us from washington, michael beschloss, the author and presidential historian and biographer of, among others, president lyndon johnson. gentlemen, welcome. before we say another word, i'm going to put a picture on the screen that mr. beschloss supplied to us. it looks like two high school kids visiting 41 in kennebunkport. in the center of your screen, television veterans will note dead ringer for ken olin of 30 something, now executive producer of the runaway nbc hit "this is us." those are young men, meacham and beschloss, probably trying not to get sea sick and listen to the 41st presi...