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Jordan, i don't know what the hell he's doing. he's sticking to this narrative that is obviously untrue. the president tried to leverage ukraine to do an investigation on hillary clinton, the whole crowdstrike thing, and on joe and hunter biden by pressuring ukraine. what's whthat's what rudy giulii was going dog there. we should move on to the discussion of how does we keep it from happening and hold the president responsible for that. i'm waiting to hear other ideas, but right now this seems like the only legitimate avenue. >> i could come back to lieutenant colonel vindman. if you could tal...

Propaganda. >> rightly the focus of her testimony has been how she outlined the president's relationship with ukraine and that attempted coercion. but we shouldn't overlook this part of it too. she made it very clear this is -- russia remains a threat. russia is who tried to interfere with the 2016 election and succeeded. it was not ukraine. were there leaders in ukraine who hoped hillary clinton would win? sure. that happens in foreign governments all over the place. they figure out who they're going to try to support or cozy up to, but there was no interference. that has been a fever dream a...