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Should he stay or should he go. you have a legal background as well. do you believe the american public is at risk with this man, eric holder, the top legal officer in your country? >> i can't say it's at risk. i really do believe the attorney general's credibility is at risk. i think the public is skeptical of the way he's run his shop. the statement he made and his actions are not reconcilable, so i think that would be a good place to start, come back to the congress, attorney general holder, explain to us your actions versus what you said regarding the fox news investigation. jenna: senator...

As late as last week the administration is still trying to say there are a few rogue agents in cincinnati, when in fact the craigs is they were directly being ordered from washington. jon: karl rove is a former senior adviser and deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush, also a fox news contributor. and he joins us now. you have suggested that essentially the tone was set in washington for this i.r.s. scandal. darrell issa seems to go a little farther than you do. what do you think about his statement? >> he had the advantage of having his investigators on the house government reform ...

Look, we know that it's just not rogue agents in cincinnati. we've known for a couple of weeks that some of these groups were contacted by i.r.s. agents in laguna niguel, california and another california office, baltimore, maryland and washington d.c. one of these letters is signed by lois lerner herself. the idea that this was a few rogue people at the bottom of the food chain in cincinnati has been, you know, disproved for weeks now, and it's amazing that the white house continues to say this. david plouffe yesterday on abc this morning this week said it's a couple of rogue agents and it's ...

It's already charred 46 square miles of land and destroying several homes. live with the latest on where it's heading now. also, rangers in yosemite are searching for a teenager they believe was swept over a 600-foot waterfall. the latest on that. and fighting hacking with hacking. we're going to take you through a computer training session where teens are learning how to protect valuable data. jon: well, lots of finger pointing in the growing irs profiling scandal as investigators try to determine who was behind the targeting of tea party groups and why. some suspect the white house might be ...

Deciding are you overly political, or do you really count as a social welfare organization? if you are a democrat surrounded by a bunch of democrats, no matter how well intentioned you are, you're going to be more skeptical of a tea party group. are these guys really pursuing social welfare? it's going to not occur to you that, well, yes, they are trying to pursue social welfare. so my problem is these people are in charge of policing political speech when they are democrats surrounded by democrats and the campaign contribution numbers tell that story. jon: well, and when you looked into the p...