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On the republican side. he's got to get his numbers substantially above 50 and then it won't matter whether or not, who this nominee is one way or the other. that's the truth of the matter. >> he has to get his number up >> 54, 55. >> let me ask you this. here's the numbers, by the way. we're looking at the actual announced candidate in the republican party. you're laughing again. buddy romer, former democratic governor of louisiana, herman cane, business guy -- he's the godfather pizza guy from atlanta. rick santorum. you really don't have a lot of winners out there ready to sign up. the ques...

Confidence and he's been out there and been the guy. he came in second place last time and that's how republicans usually go. >> i want to break your heart again. guess who won the south carolina poll this week, the straw vote, rick santorum. we're talking winners here, ladies and gentlemen. and guess who came in second. michele bachmann and donald trump. that is the sideshow of reality. the latest polling in the republican party in south carolina, the little meeting they had in greenville county, that's who's winning. it's called the chicken circus. what is it? let me go to mark here. who are...

To an awfully early start and some little known governor named bill clinton, who mark penn knows something about, turned out to be the only guy that was worth nominating and he got nominated and he won. >> this sounds more like a dog pound than it does a group of people running for president. >> we might have a governor that surprises people. >> i want to try this list by both of you. starting with this -- is there a good chance, a reasonable chance rick santorum will be president in 2013? >> i like rick santorum but he's not going to be president. >> do you think there's a good chance? >> no....

And here's dreier on a more serious note talking about new{( jersey governor chris christie. quote, let me tell you, after christie's performance last week, i mean, the buzz was all over this place. so that's the question. i've got to start with feehery on this. not that you're necessarily the heavyweight but i've got to start with you. what is the absolute desert of serious republican candidates in a situation where president obama is only 50% right now and that's an up for him. you've got 50% of the public to play with and nobody to play with him. no candidate. what's going on? >> i would di...

Some little known governor named bill clinton, who mark penn knows something about, turned out to be the only guy that was worth nominating and he got nominated and he won. ç >> this sounds more like a dog pound than it does a group of people running for president. >> we might have a governor that surprises people. >> i want to try this list by both of you. starting with this -- is there a good chance, a reasonable chance rick santorum will be president in 2013? >> i like rick santorum but he's not going to be president. >> do you think there's a good chance? >> no. >> is there a good chance...