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Romney has done well. >> what i'm saying is as this race tootens in november, there will be a move toward romney. on the other hand, every time there's a debate, gingrich absolutely is amazing in a debate. i would pay a lot of money to see him debate obama. it's worth nominating him just to see that happen. we have two of the most intelligent, creative, articulate men who are running for president. it's fabulous. >> i'm with you. >> and then there's ron paul. >> look, there has been a thorough examination of all these candidates and i'm a little sick and tired. i don't want to hear about romne...

Romney has done well. >> what i'm saying is as this race tootens in november, there will be a move toward romney. on the other hand, every time there's a debate, gingrich absolutely is amazing in a debate. i would pay a lot of money to see him debate obama. it's worth nominating him just to see that happen. we have two of the most intelligent, creative, articulate men who are running for president. it's fabulous. >> i'm with you. >> and then there's ron paul. >> look, there has been a thorough examination of all these candidates and i'm a little sick and tired. i don't want to hear about romne...

To an awfully early start and some little known governor named bill clinton, who mark penn knows something about, turned out to be the only guy that was worth nominating and he got nominated and he won. >> this sounds more like a dog pound than it does a group of people running for president. >> we might have a governor that surprises people. >> i want to try this list by both of you. starting with this -- is there a good chance, a reasonable chance rick santorum will be president in 2013? >> i like rick santorum but he's not going to be president. >> do you think there's a good chance? >> no....

Some little known governor named bill clinton, who mark penn knows something about, turned out to be the only guy that was worth nominating and he got nominated and he won. ç >> this sounds more like a dog pound than it does a group of people running for president. >> we might have a governor that surprises people. >> i want to try this list by both of you. starting with this -- is there a good chance, a reasonable chance rick santorum will be president in 2013? >> i like rick santorum but he's not going to be president. >> do you think there's a good chance? >> no. >> is there a good chance...

To an awfully early start and some little known governor named bill clinton, who mark penn knows something about, turned out to be the only guy that was worth nominating and he got nominated and he won. >> this sounds more like a dog pound. >> we might have a governor that surprises people. >> i want to try this list by both of you. is there a good chance, a reasonable chance rick santorum will be president in 2013? >> i like rick santorum but he's not going to be president. >> do you think there's a good chance? >> no. >> is there a good chance newt gingrich will be president of the united st...