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And people who feel ignored, i believe the make-up of her background, i understand your point, john, but still because of of who she is as a person, black woman, south asian american woman, i believe she brings intangible to the table that will have her -- give her the ability again to cut through and touch that emotional aspect that is important to galvanize people to the polls. >> arthel, i think that's a very important point. she might come from parents that were well educated but she pointed out that it was their american dream, underscored that, american dream she wishes to share with oth...