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In a -- as far as he knows, that's true. >> was this interview late at night? >> let's get at it, baby. >> after hours. >> donald trump said in the transition that rudy had lost a step or two, people around rudy had said during the transition when he wanted to be secretary of state that he had lost a step or two. this looks like he's been cheating on his wind sprints for months. this looks like he's lost about 15 steps. i don't know why they keep putting him on tv. rudy giuliani just told america and the world that donald trump's campaign colluded with russia full stop, willie. >> i don't thin...

That's the president's entire argument, no collusion, witch hunt, hoax. there are times again and again and again where the president hasn't just said no collusion, he said no collusion or from anyone on the campaign, so he's not just talking about himself. rudy giuliani, i don't know where he was before the hit last night but a little bit too much truth perhaps came out. >> well, willie also, you have mike pence who said mike, quote, we have defeated isis pence said we never even talked to anybody from russia, we just talk to americans about the campaign. well, you know, listen, let's just do...

>> these thanking you right now. >> a smile for that one. anyway, but rudy, we attack rudy way too much. but one thing, willie, you got to admit the guy is consistent, right? no collusion, no collusion, no collusion. >> he stays on it. >> the guy -- like what's this? what's this, willie? no collusion. that's his middle name they're going to put on his tombstone. >> i never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign. >> okay. willie, his eyes bulged after he said that. my eyes just bulged as well. >> that was one had you to go back and listen to again. i ...