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Got implemented. it was put forward because the conservative nixon put forward the conservative clean air act and epa and the right wing roberts court said obama had to use that on climate change. obama moved forward with the plan and it didn't get implemented because you guys stopped it. here's what you have to understand. there's so much nonsense being spoken. what you and i both want are people working in the rust belt, because the wind industry, which could create a bunch of jobs was stopped by you guys in congress. tesla -- >> it totally subsidized the wind industry. they wouldn't even ex...

>> it's up 16% this year already. >> any economist in the energy sector will tell you that renewables are already as competitive as coal and that they're going to become more so in the future. these jobs are not coming back. they were gone long before the regulatory issue even came to the fore. we need to help train those people in new areas and give them hope. real hope. >> if that is true, we're having a big debate, chris, in the next few months about eliminating all of these subsidies to the wind and solar energy. they're embedded in the tax code. we want to get rid of those and create a le...

Emissions. >> let's talk about that. here's what i love. you guys can't have it both ways, sir. do you like fracking and natural gas or do you like coal? because the reason -- >> we should do both. >> but this is what i'm not -- this is the sort of nonsense they got away with for the whole campaign. you cannot be for fracking, dropping the price of natural gas below coal and you want more fracking and more coal. that's like saying you want more water and fire. >> you're right, the low natural gas prices hurt the coal industry. you know what else it is killing? the wind industry. literally, fiv...

Some government support. i'd rather it be here than china. >> fareed, i love you, but it's comical to say that the wind industry is -- we've had windmills for a thousand years. come on. >> that's your argument, steve? that's your argument? >> you said windmills and then fossil fuels. >> and, steve, there was an abicus in china 2,000 years ago. it's slightly different than the wind on the street. you're talking about in holland a thousand years ago. i don't know where to begin. >> gloria? >> i'll defer to van and then i'll go. >> here's the thing. first of all, the fracking revolution, which is...

His base and how it plays to the voter in pennsylvania -- >> making good on the campaign promise all along. >> and the folks, i think they imagine that going against the environmental treaties is good for jobs. so it is not necessarily, and we know that there are more jobs in the wind industry than in the coal right now. but, it is a statement. and it is a political statement, and a few years from now, i don't know how many voters will punish donald trump for going against this treaty versus how many will cede it as consistent with how con ssistent he is. >> and following up on the teachable l...