Renewables is a pretty big expansion of natural gas. i'm sure people had told me that, and i didn't believe them. >> we're building these all over the country, and one of the questions we ask, we need about 3,000 foot in altitude, we need flat land, we need 300 days sunlight and near a gas pipe. because for all of these big utility scale power plants, whether it's wind or solar, everybody is looking at gas as the supplementary fuel. but the plants that we're building, the wind plants and solar plants, are gas plants. >> i end up feeling like a sucker. i ended up feeling like i was a sucker. th...