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Wildly speculating what this might be mean and what we should be reading into all of this excepted for the fact that these individuals, the president feels as though they were treated unjustly or that they had served their time or a myriad of other reasons that he chose to pardon them. we lost the discussion about whether or not the person who has been pardoned was pardoned, you know, had paid their time. they were remorseful, et cetera, and goad on wild goose chases of speculation about what they may or may not mean in terms of something in the future. i think that's kind of what's been lost ...

Michael cohenis what he expects in an attorney general. he wants a pit bull and someone who will protect him and be aggressive in defending his interest and no matter what. being loyal to the president trump as opposed to the mission and that is a motivation and a crime. >> for her to comment on what president trump expectation are when the attorney general served in the bum pumadministration eric holder referred to himself as the president's wing man strikes me as pretty reach. >> laura: you were a attorney general. talk about the relationship between a president and the attorney general peop...

It weakens the attorney general. >> sandra: pete? >> pete: the president is speaking truth, something he feels. he doesn't have many better options if he were to replace the guy. rod rosenstein moves in. all the other stuff he's doing. what he said of barack obama. he gave an interview, he said, this is eric holder, i'm enjoying what i'm doing, i'm still the president's wing man. i'm there with my boy. president trump always wanted to feel like help a wing man. instead, on day one, he's out. >> sandra: can he wipe out that recusal and step up in a different stage? >> pete: i don't think so. >>...

A guy named noel francisco. not a household name. he is the solicitor general of the united states. he is an academic who argues before the supreme court. suddenly he will be in charge of the biggest criminal investigation in the modern era where the target or subject is the president. >> harris: and just because we don't know him, right, doesn't mean he can't do it? we don't know if rod rosenstein is going to recuse himself. but if what you are saying today is true and plays out, he is really in a complicated position. >> yes. all of this comes down to the following. the president of the unit...

Would cozy up and cover up. as you stated, the relationship between these two people in prior presidents was very, very close. in fact, eric holder in 2013 had this to say about his relationship with barack obama. this is barack obama's attorney general. in a radio interview said i'm still enjoying what i'm doing. there is still work to be done. i'm still the president's wing man. i'm there with my boy. the reality is attorney generals oftentimes have the back of their president and have a very close relationship and in this case, president is throwing up his hands saying i don't have the guy ...