Those lessons that you wrote about still hold? >> i think they do, ali, and in that winter war, a tiny finish population, just a few million, held off the red army. the cream of the soviet union. thought -- thought to a standstill. eventually, they had to conduct a negotiation. i think that will come. all wars and in negotiation, generally. so, i think the lesson here is we, in the west, have to remain steadfast in our support to these ukrainians. we have done a very good job thus far. we've got another mile or two to go here. two clocks are running, ali, on the 1:00, it's putin and all he is ...