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Garrett grath, author of "the war on global terror." thank you for joining us. i appreciate you waiting. that went a little bit longer than i thought. you doing okay? >> yeah, of course. yeah. >> you have written a book on mueller and you're out with a new piece on wired.com about the investigation. you point out that the special counsel's investigation is really a five-pronged investigation and here's how you break it down. you said, one pre-existing business deals and money laundering, two, russian information operations. three, active cyber intrusions. four, russian campaign contacts. five,...

They're serving selflessly and extraordinarily. there are -- there are some who are an exception to that. they happen to be at some of the highest levels. and that's why all of these different people have gotten demoted. >> listen, i don't disagree with you that improvements can be made to any organization, but there is also a proper way to do it. and you don't have to politicize and you don't have to do it publicly. so that's just my only question. and listen, i appreciate you coming on and taking the tough questions. >> much love. be strong. much prayers. >> i appreciate. and by the way, you...

Goo gives them near complete control of the vehicle, anything from windshield wipers and radio to the engine and brakes. >> we don't have to be in the car, we don't have to be connected. we don't even have to be in the same state. >> it's all the work of two researchers, who wanted to alert automakers today's high-tech interconnected vehicles need better protection. wired.com senior reporter andy greenburg volunteered to be behind the wheel of a command deered jeep for the exclusive report. >> it's incredibly unnerving to realize this two-ton machine that you're used to as an extension of your...

To keep the power going. i think that is the problem we have here. look at keith alexander, been there nine years, the largest intelligence agencies are under him, and when i interviewed people for this article all the cia they said we referred to keith alexander as emperor alexander, because whatever keith wants, keith gets. >> it is impressive research, as always, that you always bring to this topic, but it is great to have you here and help to understand it, thank you very much. >> james bamford, also the author of "the puzzle palace." on line at wired.com, we'll be right back.

On privacy. i mean, george orwell wrote about it in 1984, when governments accumulate the power and use the surveillance engines to keep the power going. i think that is the problem we have here. look at keith alexander, been there nine years, the largest intelligence agencies are under him, and when i interviewed people for this article at the cia they said we referred to keith alexander as emperor alexander, because whatever keith wants, keith gets. >> it is impressive research, as always, that you always bring to this topic, but it is great to have you here and help to understand it. thank ...