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>> never? >> never. the fact is we had a briefing on drugs, we asked about guns, they gave us information on the number of guns and so on. they never mentioned "fast and furious" by name. kenneth nelson was in that briefing. more importantly, it's very clear that that's intended to be, if you will, a way to imply that i knew. greta, if i knew, i would have stopped it. more importantly, it wasn't my obligation to know about fast and furious, it was the attorney general's obligation to make sure it didn't happen. >> do you have reason to be suspicious that the attorney general actually knew what...

>> never? >> never. the fact is we had a briefing on drugs, we asked about guns, they gave us information on the number of guns and so on. they never mentioned "fast and furious" by name. kenneth nelson was in that briefing. more importantly, it's very clear that that's intended to be, if you will, a way to imply that i knew. greta, if i knew, i would have stopped it. more importantly, it wasn't my obligation to know about fast and furious, it was the attorney general's obligation to make sure it didn't happen. >> do you have reason to be suspicious that the attorney general actually knew what...

Sure you received many wiretap requests. >> the justice department has anan internal regulation. because wiretaps are so sensitive in order to have uniformity they have one person approving all of them in washington d.c. that happens to be the deputy to attorney general holder. the question is, did he just give a blanket approval or did he actually read the unlying documents before he approved them? if he read the underlying documents before he approved them, then he must have known about gun running long before attorney general holder has told us he found out. jon: right, and lanny brewer, th...