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They have to do that. and they have to do more of those ads. >> i think i can't believe you were debating, i'm so happy you shared that with me and your uncle would -- i think about a the flag. like how far we have come. the flag used to be such a sacred thing. when mine gets wind whipped, we run to the store. so much has been desecrated in the name of the tribalism and nativism that serve ises up donald trump's ego. and i wonder, andive i'll fwif you the last word before we take a break, what is the most effective way to keep everyone animated, make sure voters know they have all the agency, ...

With us. >> richard, when you talk about the guide posts moving, there are lawmakers in charge of the president. that's why the debate is something that became a huge sticking point that was enough to cause the government shutdown. but there's a moving of the goalpost that matters for others and for any proceedings to go food. it has to be the president who wises up. this is still a republican-friendly senate in republican control. it will be very tough to do. >> talking about the public, new polls, we'll share numbers with you on that according to this new poll. 41% say congress should not ta...

Over the weekend in which the teargas was used. this caravan, which a lot of people said was a myth and was not really meaningful and posed no threat, turns out to be pretty real, and pretty serious. so there may be a moment here where everybody kind of wises up. but having seen what i've seen over the last couple of years, it would not bet on it. >> martha: brit, thank you as always. great to have you with us tonight. >> thank you. >> martha: so this is sergeant leandro jasso. an elite army ranger who was known as "landoll" to his good friends he was killed this week in afghanistan. he was no...