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$5 trillion package. a lot of new spending programs that will be in place for probably forever. so this is why republicans are saying, you know, we're okay to let you get to the debt ceiling, have the vote and democrats will likely provide the votes. >> neil: we might dodge a bullet if this comes to pass and the government doesn't shut down or a default to social security -- >> we can't let that happen and won't. >> neil: that seems to be the change here. i don't know if it's the meeting with business and other financial types, the calls that republican leaders have gotten, yourself included, ...

Programs that initiatives state that they never stop. what do you think of that? >> well, i think that's absolutely true. i appreciate jim clyburn and i appreciate his candor, frankly but that's what i fear. people say that 3.5 trillion, it's more than that. the tax and spend bill. it doesn't include programs that start later like the medicare program for dental as an example. doesn't start for several years. it will continue indefinitely. or other programs that start and stop, but as you say, will be almost impossible not to continue once people start getting the benefits, the experience has ...

Permanently puts in government speak federal government speak means ten years. so yes. i've asked my partner to take a look at that. quite frankly, i heard some tv reports earlier this morning, some of them thinking about five years rather than ten years. >> neil: all right. to that point then, let me just be clear, you know that -- you know when you turn the shelf life of something and reduce the number, let's say a five year a ten year plan, you know very well that it's very hard to get rid of these programs that ever are initiated five years out. so you know that you'll get your way anyway ...

Away. you can take it away. i rather have the difficulty of taking it away than getting it started. get it started. these are the things that we need to do now to get people back to work now. get you back in school now. then look at a three-year and four years out. that's what mitch mcconnell just proposed. he proposed that we don't do this till december. joe biden says we ought to do it until december 2022. so if it's good enough for mitch mcconnell, it's good enough for jim clyburn. >> neil: thanks, congressman. thanks for taking the time. we'll monitor that. fair and balanced. now reaction ...