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case. people who had their campaigns funded by david macintosh and club for growth are not listening to him. they're not listening to former president trump so do they really have the influence that they think they have? >> yeah, chaos feeds on chaos, happy birthday, congressman. we'll go up to the capitol to manu raju and, manu, tell us about the key meeting of these rebels, of these conservative holeouts happening right now. tell us more. >> reporter: this can be a pivotal meeting. several members we are looking closely to see how they will vote are holed up in emmer's office, a me...

Incredibly -- you had really conservative members running these districts and then winning a primary and then losing a general. so now you're seeing that played out on the floor of the house, right, the folks that won, a lot of these who won say, look, i got elected. damn the torpedo, full speed ahead. i got elected and this is my platform and they're not even responsive to the president who helped put them there. >> where do you understand that republicans are here in leadership about the sort of plan b, plan c, not talking about mccarthy. he's where he is. but how many plan b, plan c, plan d...