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And all of the migrants crossing are not from that northern triangle guatemala where the vice president is, honduras and el salvador. in del rio they've sen 11,000 venezuelans. they have encountered some 58 hundred migrants from 29 countries in the last weeks. concrete bridge over a creek. a mile and a half from the river of the rio grande. the situation has gotten worse than they've ever seen it. i'm here with the vice president of the national border patrol council for this sector. john, have you ever seen anything like this? what are the challenges you're facing now. >> the worst its been i...

Saying this won't won't. -- won't work. this is supposed to be a growth budget and this allows us to compete with china. couldn't they tell a better story? paul: right. so their argument is, the secular stagnation economists is that, look, this inevitable, demographics are destiny. fewer new entrances into the workforce. the workforce is aging. younger cohorts are less productive, that's it, that's all the best we could do. you disagree? >> all right, so we -- i completely disagree. we can project into their numbers that what they're really saying is this -- this budget blowout is a hail mary ...

Happened on that day and also trump's role. so pence is really i think still just doing only enough to kind of get by here. like a lot of republicans, still not wanting to explicitly cross trump and he knows like many other republicans know that trump's delusions about what is going to happen either in august or what have you, whether he is going to be reinstated are only escalating. he is only getting worse, he is only making this a bigger and bigger conspiracy for his supporters and that is contaminating the entire republican base. >> what else is pence going to do at this point? he has a lo...

Boarders and crippling us as a country every week. >> the mta attack, which seems like it has origins in china, the other attacks in russia. you got a statement from the white house saying they are engaging with the russian government on this matter, and delivering the message that responsible states do not harbor ransomware. what needs to be done here to stop it, clint, is that enough? >> the statements won't work. i think the key thing to think about here, we used to worry about terrorists operating from safe halvens in other states. we now have that in cyber risks in terms of hackers. some ...

Mueller probe where there is asim metric information and only donald trump knows what he did when he was solo or one person in the room. only he knows, whether there is a pile of evidence of things that do look corrupt, or not. and throughout the mueller probe, there were various tells. where it seemed like, whether he -- you can search his mind and thought he was being evil, immoral, or illegal, he knew other people would think that which is why he would clear rooms and why he wouldn't put things in writing. and why he would just show his approach. and i am wondering what you think, emily, as...