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Conflict. no task is more important. joining us now is the co-author of that op-ed, retired colonel alexander vindman, a former director of the council and author of the "new york times" best seller, here right matters, director of the initiative. thank you for joining me. people say the biden threat of sanctions against putin and his underlinks won't work, sanctions aren't good enough. you write in your piece, that's not necessarily the case. previously explain why. >> well, actually, i don't think the sangs are necessarily going to be, sanctions by themselves will in the be a sufficient term...

Nation to deter from invading another. if that won't work, then what will? i wonder what our nato allies are thinking tonight as our residents and ukraine are not terrified. we are not small, and the allies were given a message which is that there is zero -- biden has this inevitability that it's one more week example of our commander in chief. it's absolutely mortifying. >> kayleigh: we don't know what happens in closed doors with biden and pruden. we had these two phone calls at the end of the year, hooton actually added 10,000 more troops to the border of ukraine and it doesn't seem is gett...

Should be able to -- weather nato joins a different story. i think that is just a symbol. if we say that they cannot join, it is a symbol that there is a -- in the ukraine. >> so you are saying the sanctions won't necessarily work. offering knoll -- of the ukraine won't work. joe biden says that there is no american troops. where does that leave us? >> it leaves us with very few options. i think that the notion is that this is not the opportunity that vladimir putin wants when he started to build up these forces. and those start off by really lacking in this idea of very very severe consequenc...

Because that won't work. they have got it going on down there and it would be nice to reciprocate what is going on in middlesbrough, basically, it would be beneficial for everything. do you think that will happen? do you trust the government to deliver? hopefully. we know what these things are like, promises, promises, but you never know. i believe the government will do that, yeah. - i believe in them. at the other side of town, students are learning about renewable energy, a sector that is receiving millions of pounds�* worth of investment here. we've got a reading of 6.36. i am pretty exc...

The government's saying today it wants to bring the rest of the country's transport up to the same standard as london. she laughs. does that mean they're going to stop all the cars from coming in to middlesbrough? because that won't work. they've got it going on down there, and it'd be nice to reciprocate what's going on in middlesbrough, basically, it'd be beneficial for everything. do you think that will happen? do you trust the government to deliver? hopefully. we know what these things are like, you know, promises, promises, but you never know. i believe the government will do that, yeah. ...