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Because the president has mentioned wanting those things in addition to the wall? >> the answer is not much. p when you consider how much money was allocated last year that went unspent in a lot of border security issues, including some for the wall. i think at this point the question that the president is facing is whether or not he can convince everybody that he's actually more determined to get the government up and running and get out of this. he has really painted himself into a corner. and i think what he has failed to do over the past four weeks of the shutdown is actually convince the ...

Billion for a wall, but what the president is offering is only a temporary protection for these dreamers, and for some of the people under temporary protected status, and what democrats are telling me is they are not going to trade permanent for temporary, under any conditions, regardless of the amount of money at stake. and furthermore, as sara points out, they are not in a mood to negotiate both the shutdown and immigration at the same time. they feel that these are two distinct and different conversations. and they're not even going to talk about immigration, including the walt, until the g...

And have rejected similar overtures previously. it's clearly a nonserious product of negotiations amongst white house staff, to try to clean up messes the president created in the first place, and potus is holding people hostage for the wall. we've had similar reporting on the house side of things, jake tapper hearing from a source, on the democratic house, that said that they were not involved in this process at all, and from what they've heard, they just would not agree to it. but to back up your point about whether or not this is similar to proposals we've seen in the past, yes, there was a...

Why this wall is necessary. getting back to the politics, though, of this discussion, mark, i'm wondering, can trump really say democrats aren't for border security, if they pass this legislation in the next week, that would be providing money for border security? >> well, he will. i mean whether it's true or not, he will continue to parrot it. in many ways, and i joke about saying whether it is true or not, because i don't think you will even find republicans who will privately tell you that they don't think that democrats are for border security. in fact, these are many of the same republica...

Trump makes a deal without the wall, or the steel slats? is he desperate enough? >> well, it doesn't seem like he's desperate enough to completely abandon the wall. the question i guess is can he, could he back off of some element of it, could he, would he be willing to go with a little less money. that's unclear. it certainly doesn't look like it. in fact, go can into the speech this morning, he told reporters, as he was leaving to go to andrews av andrews air force base, wall, wall, wall, he wasn't backing off at all. i don't think that is the only reason why everyone should be skept cam abo...